Slicedbread Posted February 21, 2012 Report Share Posted February 21, 2012 So who is to blame for the vital mistake of getting Falmouth town disqualified from the semi finals or will we never know????????? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
mikesrep Posted February 21, 2012 Report Share Posted February 21, 2012 Maybe Aberfalman or Hammers could shed some light? Gone a little quiet though Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Argyle Fan Posted February 21, 2012 Report Share Posted February 21, 2012 Maybe Aberfalman or Hammers could shed some light? Gone a little quiet though Funny that.......... Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Alan Carey Posted February 21, 2012 Report Share Posted February 21, 2012 So who is to blame for the vital mistake of getting Falmouth town disqualified from the semi finals or will we never know????????? Just to stop all of this rubbish I take full responsibility for what as happened Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Slicedbread Posted February 21, 2012 Author Report Share Posted February 21, 2012 So who is to blame for the vital mistake of getting Falmouth town disqualified from the semi finals or will we never know????????? Just to stop all of this rubbish I take full responsibility for what as happened It's banter Alan no different than Saturdays banter on here just on the other foot. you did falmouth proud but could I ask if it was just a mistake why the need to resign whilst doing so well in the league?. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Alan Carey Posted February 21, 2012 Report Share Posted February 21, 2012 So who is to blame for the vital mistake of getting Falmouth town disqualified from the semi finals or will we never know????????? Just to stop all of this rubbish I take full responsibility for what as happened It's banter Alan no different than Saturdays banter on here just on the other foot. you did falmouth proud but could I ask if it was just a mistake why the need to resign whilst doing so well in the league?. To be honest I am fed up with the CCFA , I think that is about all I should say as they have already tried to do me this year for my comments Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Slicedbread Posted February 21, 2012 Author Report Share Posted February 21, 2012 So who is to blame for the vital mistake of getting Falmouth town disqualified from the semi finals or will we never know????????? Just to stop all of this rubbish I take full responsibility for what as happened It's banter Alan no different than Saturdays banter on here just on the other foot. you did falmouth proud but could I ask if it was just a mistake why the need to resign whilst doing so well in the league?. To be honest I am fed up with the CCFA , I think that is about all I should say as they have already tried to do me this year for my comments Fair comment thanks for answering Alan Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
tricky ricky Posted February 21, 2012 Report Share Posted February 21, 2012 No doubt the expenses will dry up now Alans not there will players stay loyal ? cant see it Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
TREYEW 1970 Posted February 21, 2012 Report Share Posted February 21, 2012 Oh dear Oh dear!! Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Hoofer Posted February 21, 2012 Report Share Posted February 21, 2012 Can't have a go at the CCFA on this one, they've just enforced the rules. Personally, I think local football is a more interesting and colourful place with personalities like Alan Carey in it, I hope he reconsiders. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Adlestrop Posted February 21, 2012 Report Share Posted February 21, 2012 So who is to blame for the vital mistake of getting Falmouth town disqualified from the semi finals or will we never know????????? Just to stop all of this rubbish I take full responsibility for what as happened Not many people like being told or proven they're wrong.There's a human flaw called pride that tends to get in the way. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
hoppit Posted February 21, 2012 Report Share Posted February 21, 2012 I can't see why the managers to blame, secretarys usally do the paperwork for their club, thats their job, as for the manager resigning that seems a bit of a cop out. Might be more to it than meets the eye. No idea. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Adlestrop Posted February 21, 2012 Report Share Posted February 21, 2012 As Alan said,the buck stops with him.However,much as I respect Alan,surely to goodness he must have realised you just can't pluck a player from a higher League and thrust him into a Cup match for his very first appearance in a Falmouth shirt. Incidentally,what would have happened if Mr.Mudge remained on the bench,would the CCFA have deemed a non-playing sub named on the Teamsheet as having represented Falmouth..John Mead ?????? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Little fella Posted February 21, 2012 Report Share Posted February 21, 2012 Aldestrop....what you say about plucking a player from a higher league and putting him straight into a cup competition is an interesting point. It seems only the Cornish fa believe this to be a valid point as it seems to be only they who have this rule. You can't tell me this rule applies to the fa cup, the fa vase, or even the throgmorton cup? Only, as the rule states, in county cups does this apply. Kind of makes a nonsense of the rule itself if it is only applied to the cup which with all due respect is the easiest cup out of the four mentioned to win. However, a rule is still a rule....Regardless of how ridiculous a rule is. Can't make your debut in the Cornwall senior cup. Nonsense. How many players have done this in the past without knowing? (and of course not being caught as nobody else knew this rule!) Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
John Mead Posted February 21, 2012 Report Share Posted February 21, 2012 The Team sheet asks for the names of substitutes and whether they played or not. Unusually, there is no County or Senior Cup Rule which expands upon this, eg a player named as a substitute but who does play can either be deemed to have taken part in the game - or not - according to the rule. As there is no rule it's a bit of a grey area and only the CCFA could give a definitive answer! Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Slicedbread Posted February 21, 2012 Author Report Share Posted February 21, 2012 Aldestrop....what you say about plucking a player from a higher league and putting him straight into a cup competition is an interesting point. It seems only the Cornish fa believe this to be a valid point as it seems to be only they who have this rule. You can't tell me this rule applies to the fa cup, the fa vase, or even the throgmorton cup? Only, as the rule states, in county cups does this apply. Kind of makes a nonsense of the rule itself if it is only applied to the cup which with all due respect is the easiest cup out of the four mentioned to win. However, a rule is still a rule....Regardless of how ridiculous a rule is. Can't make your debut in the Cornwall senior cup. Nonsense. How many players have done this in the past without knowing? (and of course not being caught as nobody else knew this rule!) Good point how did the CCFA find out about it? Looking back over the comments from Saturdays game there was a lot of praise to Falmouth from how well they played (and they did no doubt about that)and it's mentioned a few times he came on for last 20 mins,then came the debate about was he allowed to play.looks like some people shot their team in the foot without knowing about it Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Little fella Posted February 21, 2012 Report Share Posted February 21, 2012 From what I've been told saltash made a complaint to ccfa about mudges involvement in the game. Obviously with the score at 3-0 with twenty minutes to go the substitution to bring him on had a massive impact in the final result. 3-0. Maybe in the interests of fair play saltash could have mentioned this rule to Falmouth before the game had they known about it. Or maybe the ill feeling between the two sides reported on here didn't help falmouths cause to what seems like a meaningless mistake? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Adlestrop Posted February 21, 2012 Report Share Posted February 21, 2012 BUT!!!.Wouldn't Falmouth have had to register any new player prior to the day of the match? If so shouldn't the CCFA Registration Secretary have alerted them that Mr.Mudge would be inelligible? There seems to be a missing link here somewhere: I suppose the crucial point being:when was Mudge signed on-and when(if!) did CCFA receive it? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
MOUNTAINEER Posted February 21, 2012 Report Share Posted February 21, 2012 The general rule in football is that you are only cup tied if you come onto the field of play, if you are named as a sub and take no part you are not cup tied so it was those 20 minutes that did for Falmouth. The number of times I have heard in many sports - "Rules is Rules". Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Little fella Posted February 21, 2012 Report Share Posted February 21, 2012 Agreed aldestrop! Have the ccfa punished Falmouth here for their own lack of assistance and willingness to help? Maybe why mr Carey has actually quit as he has mentioned he thinks the ccfa are out to get him!!! Can't see why he would quit over an innocent mistake. Assume mudge was signed close to this game otherwise he would have played for Falmouth before...surely??? Something doesn't add up correctly here...did the ccfa know (and then want) this to happen????? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
falfootie Posted February 21, 2012 Report Share Posted February 21, 2012 Could be that Alan is a bit miffed at what Little Fella quiries as the CCFA's 'lack of assistance and willingness to help' when measured against the CCFA's lack of action to stop Darren Hicks re-signing for Saltash after it was pointed out to them that it was against their own rules Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
The Python Posted February 21, 2012 Report Share Posted February 21, 2012 What a shambles the CCFA is, I know for a fact that up country in the real world players are registerd for both Senior cup aswell as Junior cup at any stage. So in Cornwall if a team in the senior cup only has 14 regular players and 3 of them are not available for one reason or another then they have to turn out with just eleven. I am finding this really hard to understand Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
TimmyRaa Posted February 22, 2012 Report Share Posted February 22, 2012 Then you use players from your second team. Rules are rules . End of. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
barry bevan Posted February 22, 2012 Report Share Posted February 22, 2012 I think it was nanks who asked if it was mudges 1st game then keithy87 asked if this wud be allowed in this type of fixture cheers boys ha Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Mike Odgers Posted February 22, 2012 Report Share Posted February 22, 2012 Part of the Rule "A registered member is one who is registered with the League in which his club/team competes in the current season" as the CCFA do not register players in all County competitions its player record is kept by the League of which the club competes So was this player registered with the Peninsula League ? if so I would have have thought a good question for the full F A to clarify or make an appeal relatingto the above rule wording. As the CCFA states this rule applies to ALL Rounds (Senior/Junior/Charity Cup) how many players have made their debut this season and obviously not been checked unless some one enquires. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
John Mead Posted February 22, 2012 Report Share Posted February 22, 2012 As mentioned earlier by someone, there is no registration form to be completed for Cornwall County Cups so CCFA cannot be blamed for failing to advise Falmouth that the player was not eligible. I am sure that County Rule 16 has been broken on many occasions in the past without anyone realising it. Because the registration rules for Senior Cup changed only last season, more people will have read the new regulations and therefor be aware of the "small print". Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Outsider Posted February 22, 2012 Report Share Posted February 22, 2012 Mr Odgers, I don't think you have read all of Rule 16, which also states "A recognised playing member is one who has actually played in a recognised League or Cup game for the club in the current season" No case for appeal to FA Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Home Waters Posted February 22, 2012 Report Share Posted February 22, 2012 :clapper: Well said John, at last some facts. As we know club secretaries, even with years of experience still check with those in authority prior to any cup matches and with the manager on the players he will be using, never accept the Managers word on rules or eligability, check. :clapper: Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Quiet Man Posted February 22, 2012 Report Share Posted February 22, 2012 I believe that there is also a rule that prevents a player from signing for the same club twice in a season, but apparently this rule was waived so that Darren Hicks could rejoin Saltash from Falmouth. Double standards, or discrimination??? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Mike Odgers Posted February 22, 2012 Report Share Posted February 22, 2012 Part of the Rule "A registered member is one who is registered with the League in which his club/team competes in the current season" as the CCFA do not register players in all County competitions its player record is kept by the League of which the club competes So was this player registered with the Peninsula League ? if so I would have have thought a good question for the full F A to clarify or make an appeal relatingto the above rule wording. As the CCFA states this rule applies to ALL Rounds (Senior/Junior/Charity Cup) how many players have made their debut this season and obviously not been checked unless some one enquires. Didn't the F A over rule the CCFA earlier in the season when re instating St.Agnes back into the Senior Cup competition (on a completely different matter) ? I think there may be a rule change for next season when Cornwall falls in line with the rest of Britain. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Home Waters Posted February 22, 2012 Report Share Posted February 22, 2012 Quiet Man - yet again, read the rules or ask someone before you go to print, you can sign for as many clubs you want to in a season, providing there are 14days between each club. C'mon lads rumours are not rules. :angry2: Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Argyle Fan Posted February 22, 2012 Report Share Posted February 22, 2012 Quiet Man - yet again, read the rules or ask someone before you go to print, you can sign for as many clubs you want to in a season, providing there are 14days between each club. C'mon lads rumours are not rules. Home Waters - you're banging your head against a brick wall here!! You need to bear in mind that some contributors to this website never let the facts get in the way of a good moan. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
john smith Posted February 23, 2012 Report Share Posted February 23, 2012 Mr Odgers, I don't think you have read all of Rule 16, which also states "A recognised playing member is one who has actually played in a recognised League or Cup game for the club in the current season" No case for appeal to FA Is the rules the senior cup the same as the junior cup if so i believe camborne school of mines played there first game of the season in the junior cup so if that is the case how is any of there players a recognised player. not sure if the rules are the same but just thought i would point it out. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Alan Carey Posted February 23, 2012 Report Share Posted February 23, 2012 Quiet Man - yet again, read the rules or ask someone before you go to print, you can sign for as many clubs you want to in a season, providing there are 14days between each club. C'mon lads rumours are not rules. Home Waters - you're banging your head against a brick wall here!! You need to bear in mind that some contributors to this website never let the facts get in the way of a good moan. Well you seam to know the CCFA rules I would ask you to look at their rule for 7 day approach! you might b surprised! Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
mikeyp Posted February 23, 2012 Report Share Posted February 23, 2012 Mr Odgers, I don't think you have read all of Rule 16, which also states "A recognised playing member is one who has actually played in a recognised League or Cup game for the club in the current season" No case for appeal to FA Is the rules the senior cup the same as the junior cup if so i believe camborne school of mines played there first game of the season in the junior cup so if that is the case how is any of there players a recognised player. not sure if the rules are the same but just thought i would point it out. Yeah the rules are the same for the Junior cup but camborne SOM seem to hav different rules to everyone else in junior football Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Home Waters Posted February 23, 2012 Report Share Posted February 23, 2012 Alan - rules on transfers, 7 days, time between clubs etc, are set by the FA for leagues to do. They are not laid down by the SWPL or the CCFA. Its only local cups that are affected by CCFA & DCFA and the manner in which they are played, re players appearances required, replays or not, extra time or not etc. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Son Of Lineker Posted February 23, 2012 Report Share Posted February 23, 2012 " To err is Human,to forgive,divine " to those that haven't read Alexander Pope it means anyone can make a mistake,something certain people (mikesrep/argyle fan/ & treyew 1970<wouldn't expect anything less from a Truro fan >) who come on this forum and take great pleasure in revelling in the mis-fortunes of other people(clubs),would do to take notice of........or perhaps they are so wonderful they have never made a mistake in their lives ! Okay, I'll be honest,to say that I'm annoyed that this has happened (Falmouth's dis-qualification) is a it of an under-statement especially as we had a very realistic chance of winning the treble this season,but at the end of the day these things happen. Did Falmouth really need to play Jamie Mudge last weekend ? of course not ( I believe the squad was strong enough to win the match without him,his debut could have waited another week) Did Falmouth bring him on to the field of play to gain an advantage in the game ? of course they did ( to quote Brian Clough "if a player isn't on the pitch to gain an advantage for his team, what's he doing on the pitch in the first place !") The rules,crazy as they are have been broken and the punishment has been handed out...we won't make the same mistake again. My concern is Alan Carey and his resignation,it's well known that a certain authority and Alan don't mix that well ! But Alan think on what you are potentially walking away from here. A chance of winning the League & League Cup. Possible promotion to a better level of football for the club the opportunity to be the manager that took us to that level !The chance to be the incumbent manager if & when a new stadium opens. Can the committee at Falmouth please arrange an evening for the earliest opportunity in the clubhouse with Alan Carey present and the 1st team squad present so that the fans can ask him to re-consider his decision. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Alan Carey Posted February 24, 2012 Report Share Posted February 24, 2012 Alan - rules on transfers, 7 days, time between clubs etc, are set by the FA for leagues to do. They are not laid down by the SWPL or the CCFA. Its only local cups that are affected by CCFA & DCFA and the manner in which they are played, re players appearances required, replays or not, extra time or not etc. sorry you need to look in CCFA rule bookits there in black and white Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Home Waters Posted February 24, 2012 Report Share Posted February 24, 2012 Alan - sorry to prolong this but the rules may be in the CCFA handbook but as I said they are set by the FA as a mandatery inclusion, dealing with approach, transfer etc - they are then allowed to set their own rules re differences in cup competitions, as I explained earlier. If the FA laid down rule is different to the CCFA printed version then that it wrong, you would have to check side by side. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Alan Carey Posted February 24, 2012 Report Share Posted February 24, 2012 Alan - sorry to prolong this but the rules may be in the CCFA handbook but as I said they are set by the FA as a mandatery inclusion, dealing with approach, transfer etc - they are then allowed to set their own rules re differences in cup competitions, as I explained earlier. If the FA laid down rule is different to the CCFA printed version then that it wrong, you would have to check side by side. I think you are missing my point, But I am not that interested in it anyhow as I would not have stopped Darren going Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
truros mr mourinho Posted February 24, 2012 Report Share Posted February 24, 2012 ooh my god son of lineker,pot and kettle comes to mind,all the foulmouth fans coming on here gloating every time truro lose a game,is it that you so blinkered about falmouth or you just see all things your way,and yes truro and my self have made lots of mistakes in are time but perhaps iam a bit more humble and know what the word sorry is . Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
kevin richards Posted February 24, 2012 Report Share Posted February 24, 2012 Welcome back Hayden m8, i have missed you. X Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
truros mr mourinho Posted February 24, 2012 Report Share Posted February 24, 2012 love you too kev,one of the good guys of football. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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