Mike Odgers Posted March 30, 2016 Report Share Posted March 30, 2016 According to The Voice newspaper Newquay are NOt applying for F A Competition next season Will Launceston,Penryn be applying? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
JENGLE Posted March 30, 2016 Report Share Posted March 30, 2016 Be interesting to find out why they've done this. Haven't they entered in to FA competitions in the last few seasons? And surely it's beneficial to enter these competitions as you don't just play local teams you have the chance to play teams nationally, and it will test the ability of the players themselves and the squad as a whole. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Dave Deacon Posted March 30, 2016 Report Share Posted March 30, 2016 Newquay weren't in the FA Cup this season and won't, I imagine, finish high enough to qualify this season either! Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
John Mead Posted March 30, 2016 Report Share Posted March 30, 2016 Over the last 12 months, the FA has carried out a nation-wide inspection of all clubs at Step 6 to discover how many of them are not fully compliant with current ground grading requirements. This has impacted badly on a large number of clubs nationally which originally met the necessary standards but have not kept up with the changes which have been made over the years. Clubs were given up to 31st March this year to make the necessary improvements to their facilities if they wanted to enter FA competitions next season and those which didn't will not be accepted. Some SWPL clubs have managed to get the work done by the deadline, others - for various reasons - have not been able to do so. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
JENGLE Posted March 30, 2016 Report Share Posted March 30, 2016 Thanks John, that now makes sense. It's a shame Newquay won't be in an FA competition next season. As many cornish teams as possible would be nice. And hopefully the majority of those do well. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
TheolderIgetthebetterIwas Posted March 30, 2016 Report Share Posted March 30, 2016 It can be bloody expensive as well. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Dave Deacon Posted March 31, 2016 Report Share Posted March 31, 2016 10 hours ago, John Mead said: Over the last 12 months, the FA has carried out a nation-wide inspection of all clubs at Step 6 to discover how many of them are not fully compliant with current ground grading requirements. This has impacted badly on a large number of clubs nationally which originally met the necessary standards but have not kept up with the changes which have been made over the years. Clubs were given up to 31st March this year to make the necessary improvements to their facilities if they wanted to enter FA competitions next season and those which didn't will not be accepted. Some SWPL clubs have managed to get the work done by the deadline, others - for various reasons - have not been able to do so. Any chance John of us knowing which clubs that previously have been in the Vase, that won't be next season? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Ivory Toast Posted March 31, 2016 Report Share Posted March 31, 2016 14 hours ago, John Mead said: Over the last 12 months, the FA has carried out a nation-wide inspection of all clubs at Step 6 to discover how many of them are not fully compliant with current ground grading requirements. This has impacted badly on a large number of clubs nationally which originally met the necessary standards but have not kept up with the changes which have been made over the years. Clubs were given up to 31st March this year to make the necessary improvements to their facilities if they wanted to enter FA competitions next season and those which didn't will not be accepted. Some SWPL clubs have managed to get the work done by the deadline, others - for various reasons - have not been able to do so. Other than St Austell, who else had to fork out for these improvements John ? Is this not a little unfair for non proffessional clubs to find extra money in a time when gates in the South West and I expect nationally, are falling. Less than 30 at Elburton Villa last night, I'm told. Good to see the billions of pounds generated by Sky and The FA waterfalling down to the less fortunate. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Dave Deacon Posted March 31, 2016 Report Share Posted March 31, 2016 If I didn't think better, it's almost as if the FA don't want Step 6 clubs in the FA competitions any more! Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest Posted March 31, 2016 Report Share Posted March 31, 2016 Will Penzance be looking at entering the Vase again in the future John? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Paul Posted March 31, 2016 Report Share Posted March 31, 2016 1 hour ago, Dave Deacon said: If I didn't think better, it's almost as if the FA don't want Step 6 clubs in the FA competitions any more! Exactly what I've said recently. St Blazey have to tarmac the car park area as you enter the ground and concrete the area under the covered end behind the goal. That will cost thousands. I very much doubt that will be done anytime soon so you can forget entering the Vase. It's great to push clubs to improve facilities but you have to question the sense of some of it. If St Blazey drew say Shepton Mallet in the cup and a crowd of 150 max turned up they say it's not safe. People could throw stones. Yet a local derby against St Austell could draw 300 plus and then it's not a problem. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
baldy Posted March 31, 2016 Report Share Posted March 31, 2016 Most of the problems seem to relate to "hard-standing". Old style grass banks are not acceptable anymore. The outlay is high and the possible rewards don't justify it for a lot of clubs. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Nemesis Posted March 31, 2016 Report Share Posted March 31, 2016 Previously, the FA Vase ground entry requirements were, hard standing on three sides and a minimum of 75 seats. This now appears to have been changed to all 4 sides hard standing but the seating numbers seem unclear. Godolphin have 60 seats and are recommended for acceptance next season. Tania & Co have done an amazing job at getting the ground looking right, extra car parking and standing areas, it is right they get the chance to enter a National Comp. As someone above said, generally step 6 clubs do not get past the first few rounds with crowds of 200 or less, yet SWPL games are fine where attendances, on occasions, are double that and more. St Austell were permitted to upgrade for the Vase Semi, is this rule no longer valid ? Clubs can host Championship clubs in pre-season where attendances are 4 figures, but not good enough for Newquay v Odd Down in future ? Have the SWPL put up any argument or protest to the FA ? It does seem that the restrictions / improvements change from year to year, but without adequate funding from above, very few clubs will be able to keep up with the annual budget busting that the FA are imposing on village and small town clubs. Mount Wise Stadium is still one of the best grounds in Cornwall, can easily accommodate 3,500 in comfort, the ground was improved last summer, but the rules seem to have changed again since then. Can't say that I, or the many Peppermints I have spoken with since yesterday are happy about any of it. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Mike Odgers Posted March 31, 2016 Author Report Share Posted March 31, 2016 Part of a visitors report on the Helston Hop game- The last game had few chances and 0-0 written all over it until the 70th minute when the Falmouth keeper dropped a cross and the Helston #6 stabbed home the loose ball. Ground enclosed by a wooden fence, main football furniture is an Atcost stand and cover overhanging the clubhouse on the same side. Spectators were allowed to watch on the opposite side despite having no hard standing, in some other Step 6 leagues this would have been a no go area! Yesterday Kellaway Park received its F.A.grade "G" ground grading status allowing them to compete in F A Competition. So I guess its hard standing on three sides Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Richard Rundle Posted March 31, 2016 Report Share Posted March 31, 2016 Godolphin were one of those clubs who had things to do to ensure FA Vase acceptance, and these were well in progress the last time I was there (Junior Cup semi) Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Blues Chairman Posted April 1, 2016 Report Share Posted April 1, 2016 Hoping the attached helps to answer the questions being raised on this topic grade-g-may-2015.pdf Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
John Mead Posted April 2, 2016 Report Share Posted April 2, 2016 All Step 6 clubs are required to be fully compliant with FA G Grade standards whether or not they enter FA Cup or Vase competitions. The national revue has revealed that many do not meet all the requirements and these clubs will not be permitted to enter FA Competitions until the necessary work has been completed. The deadline to be compliant in order to enter next years competitions was 31st March but the original threat of relegation to Step 7 has been put on hold (again) by the FA. The biggest problem seems to be the FA's re-definition of hard standing - which must be on at least the full length of two adjacent sides/ends and has to be a bound surface. There also has to be access to all spectator facilities via similar hard standing and no loose stones/chippings are permitted within a ground which are easily accessible to spectators. These are non-negotional FA requirements for both their competitions and SWPL Premier Division. Regarding 1,000+ gates, the Police and Cornwall Council have instigated a Safety Advisory Group to regulate the provisions made by the Safety at Sports Grounds Act and any match likely to attract large numbers will involve their scrutiny before permission is given for it to go ahead - as happened for St Austell's Vase semi final last year. Luckily, it shouldn't impact upon normal league matches! Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Jeff's Telling Posted April 2, 2016 Report Share Posted April 2, 2016 21 minutes ago, John Mead said: All Step 6 clubs are required to be fully compliant with FA G Grade standards whether or not they enter FA Cup or Vase competitions. The national revue has revealed that many do not meet all the requirements and these clubs will not be permitted to enter FA Competitions until the necessary work has been completed. The deadline to be compliant in order to enter next years competitions was 31st March but the original threat of relegation to Step 7 has been put on hold (again) by the FA. The biggest problem seems to be the FA's re-definition of hard standing - which must be on at least the full length of two adjacent sides/ends and has to be a bound surface. There also has to be access to all spectator facilities via similar hard standing and no loose stones/chippings are permitted within a ground which are easily accessible to spectators. These are non-negotional FA requirements for both their competitions and SWPL Premier Division. Regarding 1,000+ gates, the Police and Cornwall Council have instigated a Safety Advisory Group to regulate the provisions made by the Safety at Sports Grounds Act and any match likely to attract large numbers will involve their scrutiny before permission is given for it to go ahead - as happened for St Austell's Vase semi final last year. Luckily, it shouldn't impact upon normal league matches! Freudian slip perhaps - my dictionary says a revue is theatrical entertainment Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
John Mead Posted April 2, 2016 Report Share Posted April 2, 2016 I tried to review the revue when I reviewed my post just after posting it but it didn't work! However the association with "theatrical" might be more appropriate anyway! Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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