Dave Deacon Posted November 8, 2016 Report Share Posted November 8, 2016 Cornwall FA Disciplinary Hearing Results October 2016 Richard Full of Helston Athletic 1. Helston Athletic v Plymouth Parkway – Carlsberg South West Peninsula League Richard Full is charged for an alleged breach of FA Rule E3 - Improper Conduct In the 44th minute Mr Full, the Helston assistant manager entered the field of play without permission and used foul and abusive language towards the referee. The referee then dismissed Mr Full from the technical area Plea – Guilty Case – Proven Suspension – 3 Match Touchline Ban Commencing 12th November 2016 Fine - £30 2. Matthew Beecher of Helston Athletic Helston Athletic v Plymouth Parkway Carlsberg South West Peninsula League Matthew Beecher is charged for an Alleged Breach of FA Rule E3 - Improper Conduct After the game, Mr Beecher approached the referee in the clubhouse and acted in an aggressive and intimidating manner towards the referee including using foul and abusive language towards him Plea – Guilty Case – Proven - When applying the sanction the commission took into account the character reference provided by Helston Football Club in mitigation Suspension – 3 Match’s commencing on 12th November 2016 Fine £30 3. Harry Pope of Carharrack FC Mullion v Carharrack – LWC Drinks Combination League Harry Pope is charged with an alleged breach of FA Rule E3 - Improper Conduct Mr Pope, who is the manager of Carharrack was removed from the technical area for swearing at the referee Plea – Guilty Case – Proven Suspension – 3 Match Ground Ban commencing on 12th November 2016 Fine £30 4. Adam Pryor of Mawnan FC Chacewater v Mawnan – Whirlwind Sports Trelawney League Adam Pryor is charged for an alleged breach of FA Rule E3 - Improper Conduct After being dismissed from the field of play Adam Pryor used foul and abusive language towards the referee on two occasions Plea – Not Guilty Case – Proven - When deciding on the sanction the commission took into account Mr Pryor’s apology and plea for mitigation Suspension – 2 Match’s commencing on 12th November 2016 Fine - £25 5. Nanpean Rovers Roche v Nanpean Rovers – Mortgage Advice Bureau East Cornwall League East Cornwall Premier League Nanpean Rovers are charged for an alleged breach of FA Rule E20 After the final whistle as the referee entered the changing room he received abuse from the players of Nanpean who used foul and abusive language towards him Plea – Guilty Case – Proven Fine - £25 6. Lee Goodall – Penzance Reserves New Inn Titans v Penzance Reserves – Whirlwind Sports Trelawney league Lee Goodall of Penzance is charged for an alleged breach of FA Rule E3 - Improper Conduct After being sent off Mr Goodall used foul and abusive language towards the referee and refused to leave the vicinity of the pitch Plea – Guilty Case – Proven Suspension – 3 Match’s commencing on 12th November 2016 Fine £30 7. Carl Stretton – Illogan RBL Illogan v Wendron United – Carlsberg South West Peninsula League Carl Stretton is charged with an alleged breach of FA Rule E3 - Improper Conduct After receiving a red card Mr Stretton continued to swear at the referee Plea – Guilty Case – Proven Suspension – 2 Match’s commencing on 12th November 2016 Fine - £30 8. Charlie Penney Individual Charge For Breach of FA Rule E1 Charlie Penney is charged for an alleged Breach of FA Rule E1 - Misconduct Under The Rules of an Affiliated Association It is alleged that Charlie Penney has signed on Trelawny League forms For Ludgvan FC and St Agnes FC, Mr Penney knowingly used different dates of birth and different surnames on the registration forms and has therefore breached Trelawny League Rule 8G and FA Rule E1 Plea- Guilty Case – Proven Suspension – 182 Days Commencing 12th November 2016 Fine - £50 9. Jack Ostle – St Cleer St Cleer v Boscastle – JJ Jones Builders Duchy League Mr Ostle acted in aggressive manner towards members of the opposition and had to be restrained by team mates in the changing rooms after the game. Mr Ostle also swore at the referee when he asked him to calm down Plea- Guilty Case – Proven Suspension – 2 Match’s commencing on 12th November 2016 – When deciding on sanction the commission considered Fine - £30 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
secretscout Posted November 8, 2016 Report Share Posted November 8, 2016 Some of the suspensions that relate to incidents dont seem to add up. You can be restrained by your team mates from acting aggressively and swear at the ref and get 2 games, yet you can just swear at the ref and be sent from the technical area and get 3 games.... So essentially, if you are going to get in trouble for swearing at the ref, you may aswell go all out and end up needing to be restrained by your team mates because that wya you will only 2 games rather than 3. Seems very odd. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
ex-chairman Posted November 8, 2016 Report Share Posted November 8, 2016 No point CCFA banging on about respect etc and then hand out trivial punishments. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Bobjfh Posted November 8, 2016 Report Share Posted November 8, 2016 I think this 'name and shame' is a really positive step forward. However is it being done by Devon FA (as clearly affects SWPL games) and until action is taken against some of the more wel knownl 'characters in the SWPL' it becomes meaningless Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
bighairydave Posted November 8, 2016 Report Share Posted November 8, 2016 3 hours ago, secretscout said: Some of the suspensions that relate to incidents dont seem to add up. You can be restrained by your team mates from acting aggressively and swear at the ref and get 2 games, yet you can just swear at the ref and be sent from the technical area and get 3 games.... So essentially, if you are going to get in trouble for swearing at the ref, you may aswell go all out and end up needing to be restrained by your team mates because that wya you will only 2 games rather than 3. Seems very odd. He was restrained from the opposition not from the referee! Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
le boss Posted November 8, 2016 Report Share Posted November 8, 2016 4 hours ago, ex-chairman said: No point CCFA banging on about respect etc and then hand out trivial punishments. You have never sworn at anyone? Be careful that halo don't slip and hang you. All adults who have heard swear words before I'm sure. Swearing is part of common speech nowadays and I was always taught that respect must be earnt. It is not a god-given right. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
secretscout Posted November 9, 2016 Report Share Posted November 9, 2016 12 hours ago, Keith B said: Be careful in case your mates don't restrain you in time chum. You might not play football again if your temper is that bad. The sooner they introduce into football, rules akin to rugby union where discipline is concerned the better. I agree, if they want to stamp these issues out then more has to be done, like they do in rugby. But these punishments do seem to lack any thought process or consistency across the board. Nevermind. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
middle mans mate Posted November 9, 2016 Report Share Posted November 9, 2016 20 hours ago, Dave Deacon said: Match’s ??? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Dave Deacon Posted November 9, 2016 Author Report Share Posted November 9, 2016 3 minutes ago, middle mans mate said: ??? Presumably I went to say something and got distracted!! Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
S Abbo Posted November 9, 2016 Report Share Posted November 9, 2016 These are great.. if i was richie full i would be going for the hatrick this month ??? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Crouchy Posted November 9, 2016 Report Share Posted November 9, 2016 The truth is, respect works both ways. Stick a hidden camera and mic on a few players so the ref doesn't know it's there and see some of the results you get, you might be surprised!!! Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
BAGMAN Posted November 10, 2016 Report Share Posted November 10, 2016 Exactly - the players/ Staff may not be angels but the Officials need to ensure the 'Respect' element goes both ways!! Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Dave Deacon Posted November 10, 2016 Author Report Share Posted November 10, 2016 Just so that I know I've read this correctly - are we saying that some match officials should improve the way they deal with the players as well as the other way round? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
BAGMAN Posted November 10, 2016 Report Share Posted November 10, 2016 So Keith B you are saying the Referee's are exempt from the 'Respect' campaign? I for one have been on the end of some pretty unsavoury comments from Officials so it definitely goes both ways! I'm not saying the comments to Officials are very often over the top and unwelcome but it needs buy in from all concerned. 2 hours ago, Dave Deacon said: Just so that I know I've read this correctly - are we saying that some match officials should improve the way they deal with the players as well as the other way round? Yes! Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
kernowman77 Posted November 10, 2016 Report Share Posted November 10, 2016 Harsher punishment for repeat offenders. Referees have a big part to play and do a difficult job but if it's an occurring theme when a certain ref is controlling the game what is a suitable solution? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Crouchy Posted November 10, 2016 Report Share Posted November 10, 2016 I'm not "ganging up" on officials, my point is, could it not be possible that officials also have a part to play in helping to stamp this out. Had a similar conversation with Gary Cornish a few weeks ago. I actually praised Gary on the way he officiated our game, not on the fact I thought every decision was correct, but by the way he knows how speak to players and seems to be able to control a game and stop potential flash points by explaining decisions and in a manner that doesn't antagonise players. I've certainly been no angel in my career, but I think if officials could learn to speak to players in a more understanding manor then players will respond differently. Of course there are always going to be a certain amount of players that are just going to "lose it". Impossible to stamp it out completely. I just wish people would look at it from both angles and realise we all need to learn! Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
BIG AL Posted November 10, 2016 Report Share Posted November 10, 2016 1 hour ago, Crouchy said: I'm not "ganging up" on officials, my point is, could it not be possible that officials also have a part to play in helping to stamp this out. Had a similar conversation with Gary Cornish a few weeks ago. I actually praised Gary on the way he officiated our game, not on the fact I thought every decision was correct, but by the way he knows how speak to players and seems to be able to control a game and stop potential flash points by explaining decisions and in a manner that doesn't antagonise players. I've certainly been no angel in my career, but I think if officials could learn to speak to players in a more understanding manor then players will respond differently. Of course there are always going to be a certain amount of players that are just going to "lose it". Impossible to stamp it out completely. I just wish people would look at it from both angles and realise we all need to learn! I have said exactly the same thing on several occasions always to cause a defensive reaction on behalf of refs. They show little respect for players and are there purely as a paid job.How many times has anyone seen a ref. actually smile - answer never ! Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest Posted November 10, 2016 Report Share Posted November 10, 2016 I'm always sticking up for refs on here but I absolutely get what you're saying. On two occasions I had referees tell me to "shut up" and "Go away" last season. One of those was someone I knew and spoke to on a regular basis! I agree with what you are saying. I got those responses for simply asking "what was that for ref?"... I wasn't being facetious or aggressive, I was genuinely wondering why on both occasions, the teams were penalised (opposition and my side). That's what I got thrown at me. I get that, I understand where you are coming from. Respect from the referee was a big topic during the Respect and Behaviour meetings that took place across the county not so long ago. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
bighairydave Posted November 10, 2016 Report Share Posted November 10, 2016 49 minutes ago, BIG AL said: I have said exactly the same thing on several occasions always to cause a defensive reaction on behalf of refs. They show little respect for players and are there purely as a paid job.How many times has anyone seen a ref. actually smile - answer never ! If you want a smile then pay a bit extra! Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest Posted November 10, 2016 Report Share Posted November 10, 2016 I smile most of the time ? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
TheolderIgetthebetterIwas Posted November 10, 2016 Report Share Posted November 10, 2016 I think a lot of you need to grow up, "I don't like the way he spoke to me"......need to smile more (!) load of bollocks - man up for jeffs sake. A mans game being played by kids these days. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
The Smiling Assassin Posted November 12, 2016 Report Share Posted November 12, 2016 The punishments handed out appear to be very weak. Unfortunately the county's hands are tied as all punishments for all offences are set by The FA, and if the punishments fall outside of the guidelines set by them, then those punished have the right of appeal. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
stevieb Posted November 12, 2016 Report Share Posted November 12, 2016 On 10/11/2016 at 21:10, Dange'rous said: I'm always sticking up for refs on here but I absolutely get what you're saying. On two occasions I had referees tell me to "shut up" and "Go away" last season. One of those was someone I knew and spoke to on a regular basis! I agree with what you are saying. I got those responses for simply asking "what was that for ref?"... I wasn't being facetious or aggressive, I was genuinely wondering why on both occasions, the teams were penalised (opposition and my side). That's what I got thrown at me. I get that, I understand where you are coming from. Respect from the referee was a big topic during the Respect and Behaviour meetings that took place across the county not so long ago. But had you been moaning about the descions before hand ? Because everyone has a breaking point , look I have been involved with games when both teams are on to a ref even about a blatant throw in against and constant appealing for every descions which becomes tedious and even refs are human and can get fed up , on the other hand there are a couple who you know from the first whistle if they let the game flow or if it is all about them doesn't happen often . Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest Posted November 12, 2016 Report Share Posted November 12, 2016 I used to. I was never bad, I used to question decisions (in a positive way) but you're talking to a man that has been playing football for over 13 years and only received two yellows. One for shooting after the whistle had blown (didn't hear it), an the second was for a late tackle on my referee course (ironic). Since completing the course I've not questioned decisions whilst on the field with anyone but myself. There's been times where I've wanted too, but I know how hard it can be in the middle so I keep my opinions to myself. Ive always tried to be one for setting an example, not being the example. You are completely correct in your post Stevie Constant appealing gets my back up, I get bored of it after a while. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Martin Eddy Posted November 12, 2016 Report Share Posted November 12, 2016 Run the line the other week against Hayle in combo in the first half their manager appealed for everything but always with a smile on his face and we both had some great banter.sometimes it's how you appeal Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest Posted November 12, 2016 Report Share Posted November 12, 2016 9 minutes ago, Postman Pat said: Run the line the other week against Hayle in combo in the first half their manager appealed for everything but always with a smile on his face and we both had some great banter.sometimes it's how you appeal Completely agree. I manage Wendron Sunday side, depending on the referee (whether I know I can have a laugh and joke), I do the same. Always with a smile, of course Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
bighairydave Posted November 12, 2016 Report Share Posted November 12, 2016 21 minutes ago, Postman Pat said: Run the line the other week against Hayle in combo in the first half their manager appealed for everything but always with a smile on his face and we both had some great banter.sometimes it's how you appeal And what an enjoyable game it was to be apart of! Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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