David Bray Posted November 21, 2016 Report Share Posted November 21, 2016 Charity Cup Quarter Final Draw tonight at the County Office. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
jft96 Posted November 21, 2016 Report Share Posted November 21, 2016 Can anyone go to this to witness it is all above board? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Rocket Ronnie Posted November 21, 2016 Report Share Posted November 21, 2016 Cant believe your saying this jft96! Why on earth would anyone at the county fa want to rigg the draw? Its not the world cup! Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Dave Deacon Posted November 21, 2016 Report Share Posted November 21, 2016 The clubs left in it................ Mousehole Polperro Sticker Wendron United Penryn Athletic Liskeard Athletic Illogan RBL St Dennis Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
jft96 Posted November 21, 2016 Report Share Posted November 21, 2016 I'm not saying they would rigg it, but if no-one from outside the county fa is there certain clubs might question some draws! Looking at the clubs left in Sticker v Mousehole would be the final most people would go to watch. These 2 could be kept apart. I'll more than likely be wrong when the draw is made but I'll happily admit that. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Tommy Matthews Posted November 21, 2016 Report Share Posted November 21, 2016 If you've ever been involved in the draw you wouldn't make those accusations. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Bobjfh Posted November 21, 2016 Report Share Posted November 21, 2016 I know it doesn't happen in these cups, but surely there is a case for 'seeding' cup draws, based on previous season standings. Whichever way you do it, it's not going to please everyone but in many cases where you see clear favourites playing each other in early rounds it can devalue a cup - suppose that's the joy of cups, anyone can win?!?! Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
leedsunited Posted November 21, 2016 Report Share Posted November 21, 2016 We always seem to get tough draws at Bodmin, usually away. Although now the draws are done on radio now. Any draw behind closed doors is going to get screwtenized & rightly so Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Tommy Matthews Posted November 21, 2016 Report Share Posted November 21, 2016 If you consider that county representatives from each area are usually at these draws, can you honestly see them actually agreeing to rig the draw and perhaps put one of the clubs from their area at a disadvantage? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Bobjfh Posted November 21, 2016 Report Share Posted November 21, 2016 Tommy - would never suggest it was rigged (any of the cups) - but just by example it you look at the U18 Rathbone Cup - the final last year was Saltsh u18 v Newquay u18 ( won by Newquay). This year there were three prelim matches and 5 byes - one of the prelim matches was Newquay u18 v Saltash u18. Had some seeding been applied then these two teams would / could only meet in the final. The same happens in every cup (Bodmin v Godolphin etc) - surely simple seeding could balance things out at bit - agree how the seeding works this season to apply next - viz based on cup standings or league standings. Just a suggestion and if seeding previously agreed then it adds no work to the draw or management of the cup. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Dave Deacon Posted November 21, 2016 Report Share Posted November 21, 2016 The Quarter-Final draw is: 04/02/17 (all at 2pm) Polperro v Penryn Athletic Sticker v St Dennis Mousehole v Wendron United Illogan RBL v Liskeard Athletic 4 minutes ago, Bobjfh said: Tommy - would never suggest it was rigged (any of the cups) - but just by example it you look at the U18 Rathbone Cup - the final last year was Saltsh u18 v Newquay u18 ( won by Newquay). This year there were three prelim matches and 5 byes - one of the prelim matches was Newquay u18 v Saltash u18. Had some seeding been applied that these two teams would / could only meet in the final. The same happens in every cup (Bodmin v Godolphin etc) - surely simple seeding could balance things out at bit - agree how the seeding works this season to apply next - viz based on cup standings or league standings. Just a suggestion and if seeding previously agreed then it adds no work to the draw or management of the cup. Some people would suggest it's good for other teams to be in the finals! Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Tommy Matthews Posted November 21, 2016 Report Share Posted November 21, 2016 I guess it would need to be agreed at the beginning and if everyone is in agreement then there's no issue. The only seeding in the FA Cup is that teams of a certain standard come in at a later stage and after that it's a free for all. But that's how the Cornwall Senior Cup is organised and it gives some of the lesser known teams to have a cup run. The Charity Cup is an invitational competition and would we want seeding in that? I really don't know. The only thing I can tell you is that having spoken about changes made to cup competitions with Cornwall FA CEO Dawn Aberdeen some time ago, she was adamant that they are YOUR cups not the CCFA's. If people want change and enough people vote for it and as long as it comes within guidelines set by the FA then they will try and do it. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
panda Posted November 21, 2016 Report Share Posted November 21, 2016 jft96 you say most people would want to watch Sticker v Mousehole in the final. There may be lots of people in the east of the county would like to see Liskeard v Polperro as the final played at Saltash / Torpoint Millbrook. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Bobjfh Posted November 21, 2016 Report Share Posted November 21, 2016 Dave / Tommy - good points, always nice to see outsiders in finals and cup runs can really help smaller clubs, can just be frustrating to be picked against top teams. Some good draws there tonight - no easy picks, but Sticker are going to take some beating. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Anne Teake Posted November 21, 2016 Report Share Posted November 21, 2016 1 hour ago, panda said: jft96 you say most people would want to watch Sticker v Mousehole in the final. There may be lots of people in the east of the county would like to see Liskeard v Polperro as the final played at Saltash / Torpoint Millbrook. Many people in the west would like to see a fairer way of deciding on 'neutral' venues for the semi final and finals of the cup competitions - i.e. grounds that are equidistant from the two competing clubs, not 65 miles for one team and 10 for the other. Places like Porthleven, Falmouth and Helston seem to get overlooked. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
TheolderIgetthebetterIwas Posted November 22, 2016 Report Share Posted November 22, 2016 Just as well not enter if seeding was introduced - utter nonsense. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Richard Rundle Posted November 22, 2016 Report Share Posted November 22, 2016 8 hours ago, Anne Teake said: Many people in the west would like to see a fairer way of deciding on 'neutral' venues for the semi final and finals of the cup competitions - i.e. grounds that are equidistant from the two competing clubs, not 65 miles for one team and 10 for the other. Places like Porthleven, Falmouth and Helston seem to get overlooked. It would be rare for Porthleven to be both equidistant from the two teams and a sensible journey for both teams. Helston will get more consideration now their ground has been upgraded (and very nice it is too) Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
jft96 Posted November 22, 2016 Report Share Posted November 22, 2016 I agree panda. And as for the final being neutral, to save any moaning it could be decided at the beginning of the season! Have it at a premier sides ground as they are not in the competition. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest Posted November 22, 2016 Report Share Posted November 22, 2016 As was pointed out at the end of last season, any club wishing to host a semi or the final, offer your ground to the CCFA. It would make it easier for them to know they could call in a certain club. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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