Mike Odgers Posted June 28 Report Share Posted June 28 A small league of 30 games in the SWPL (West) which has only seen one season previous with this low number in the 17 SWPL season history I am surprised that 3 Cornish clubs didn't apply for F A Vase participation Bude-Penzance and Sticker. Also curious as why Holsworthy were deemed ineligible Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
We Two Posted June 29 Report Share Posted June 29 7 hours ago, Mike Odgers said: I am surprised that 3 Cornish clubs didn't apply for F A Vase participation Bude-Penzance and Sticker. Perhaps they consider that fixtures already committed to and the possibility of cancellations during the season, outweighed the benefit of yet more games. Also it depends on how many teams the clubs cater for, use the main pitch for their games and the consequent surface wear and tear. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
justanopinion Posted June 29 Report Share Posted June 29 1 hour ago, We Two said: Perhaps they consider that fixtures already committed to and the possibility of cancellations during the season, outweighed the benefit of yet more games. Also it depends on how many teams the clubs cater for, use the main pitch for their games and the consequent surface wear and tear. Yes, you make good points. Perhaps a post that lists the benefits of entering this competition would help the 3 clubs mentioned reconsider another season? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Mike Odgers Posted June 29 Author Report Share Posted June 29 Not sure what the Vase application fee is but you get a losing F A prize money even from the first tie- Being successful can be lucrative as Falmouth saw last season receiving around £11,000 from F a competition prize money.. The F a Vase has that mystique and adventure about it and into the unknown also being early season its likely to be a sunny/dry colourful day. Not the same for Falmouth this season being in The F A Trophy which doesn't have the same magic or appeal to it.-Being a step 1 to 4 competition the early rounds will be against clubs from their own SL 1S league (22 clubs) and step too far from the York City's. Yeovil Town, Oldham etc Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Ian Pethick Posted June 29 Report Share Posted June 29 5 hours ago, Mike Odgers said: Not sure what the Vase application fee is but you get a losing F A prize money even from the first tie- Being successful can be lucrative as Falmouth saw last season receiving around £11,000 from F a competition prize money.. The F a Vase has that mystique and adventure about it and into the unknown also being early season its likely to be a sunny/dry colourful day. Not the same for Falmouth this season being in The F A Trophy which doesn't have the same magic or appeal to it.-Being a step 1 to 4 competition the early rounds will be against clubs from their own SL 1S league (22 clubs) and step too far from the York City's. Yeovil Town, Oldham etc The FA Trophy has nothing like the same kudos as the Vase. NL sides who have interest in promotion and relegation view it as a distraction, they have much the same attitude as the Premier League clubs display in the League and FA Cups. The Vase is, to my mind, the premium knockout competion in England and Wales. Every club who's in it gives it a good go. Paul and Mike Odgers 2 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
The Governor Posted June 29 Report Share Posted June 29 Who had entered the FA vase this year from Cornwall? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Dave Deacon Posted June 29 Report Share Posted June 29 12 minutes ago, The Governor said: Who had entered the FA vase this year from Cornwall? https://www.thefa.com/news/2024/jun/28/fa-cup-youth-cup-trophy-vase-2024-25-entries-exemptions-prize-funds-20242806 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
justanopinion Posted June 29 Report Share Posted June 29 What are the conditions of entry? Thought I once heard that the home side must pay travelling expenses to the away side? It's interesting to see Falmouth received £11k but they obviously had a great run in the comp. Presumably they had expenses to pay and it was not all profit? Mike Odgers and silly billy 1 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
The truth Posted June 29 Report Share Posted June 29 On 28/06/2024 at 22:38, Mike Odgers said: A small league of 30 games in the SWPL (West) which has only seen one season previous with this low number in the 17 SWPL season history I am surprised that 3 Cornish clubs didn't apply for F A Vase participation Bude-Penzance and Sticker. Also curious as why Holsworthy were deemed ineligible Not the first time Bude have miss handled an application, the new look management and side fully deserved being in that draw. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Philheybrookbay Posted June 30 Report Share Posted June 30 18 hours ago, justanopinion said: What are the conditions of entry? Thought I once heard that the home side must pay travelling expenses to the away side? It's interesting to see Falmouth received £11k but they obviously had a great run in the comp. Presumably they had expenses to pay and it was not all profit? It's half and half, you split the profit or loss on travelling and everything else. You're making a loss normally on home rounds in early games. In the days when a coach or travelling could be £800 (as one team claimed last season) then it's loss making exercise. justanopinion 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
justanopinion Posted June 30 Report Share Posted June 30 44 minutes ago, Philheybrookbay said: It's half and half, you split the profit or loss on travelling and everything else. You're making a loss normally on home rounds in early games. In the days when a coach or travelling could be £800 (as one team claimed last season) then it's loss making exercise. Thank you for clarifying that. The decision by Bude, Penzance, Sticker now seems to make some sense in my opinion. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Mike Odgers Posted June 30 Author Report Share Posted June 30 Yes I agree every club should weigh up the 'pros & cons' but could show some anticipation and adventure as have 14 Cornish clubs enthused on their twitter feeds. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
mattelot Posted June 30 Report Share Posted June 30 3 hours ago, Philheybrookbay said: It's half and half, you split the profit or loss on travelling and everything else. You're making a loss normally on home rounds in early games. In the days when a coach or travelling could be £800 (as one team claimed last season) then it's loss making exercise. £800 for a coach is probably cheap,presumably said team provided an invoice from the coach company? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Philheybrookbay Posted June 30 Report Share Posted June 30 1 hour ago, mattelot said: £800 for a coach is probably cheap,presumably said team provided an invoice from the coach company? Correct or it goes into dispute with the FA deciding. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Ian Pethick Posted June 30 Report Share Posted June 30 5 hours ago, Philheybrookbay said: It's half and half, you split the profit or loss on travelling and everything else. You're making a loss normally on home rounds in early games. In the days when a coach or travelling could be £800 (as one team claimed last season) then it's loss making exercise. Would be interesting to see what Falmouth received from the Great Wakering Vase 1/4 final match last season. The official gate was given as around 600 when, to most observers who were there, it felt like the crowd was at least double that. Pretty inconvenient (or convenient?) that the card terminals at the turnstiles went down, and it was cash only for most of the people that hadn't pre bought tickets. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Dave Deacon Posted June 30 Report Share Posted June 30 2 minutes ago, Ian Pethick said: that the card terminals at the turnstiles went down, and it was cash only for most of the people that hadn't pre bought tickets. Hadn’t realised that Ian! There was definitely more than 600 there that day! Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Ian Pethick Posted June 30 Report Share Posted June 30 17 minutes ago, Dave Deacon said: Hadn’t realised that Ian! There was definitely more than 600 there that day! Town Fan 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Buckland Jim Posted June 30 Report Share Posted June 30 3 hours ago, mattelot said: £800 for a coach is probably cheap,presumably said team provided an invoice from the coach company? Probably looking at closer to a grand for a coach now, probably more depending on long distance journeys that require two drivers. mattelot 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
silly billy Posted June 30 Report Share Posted June 30 1 hour ago, Ian Pethick said: Would be interesting to see what Falmouth received from the Great Wakering Vase 1/4 final match last season. The official gate was given as around 600 when, to most observers who were there, it felt like the crowd was at least double that. Pretty inconvenient (or convenient?) that the card terminals at the turnstiles went down, and it was cash only for most of the people that hadn't pre bought tickets. Maybe they did't include kids in the attendance 😬 Paul and Ian Pethick 2 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Town Fan Posted July 1 Report Share Posted July 1 16 hours ago, Dave Deacon said: Hadn’t realised that Ian! There was definitely more than 600 there that day! Without a doubt! Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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